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[quote="Olivier Rouchard Avion"]Hi Bart, Welcome to the place ;) I know how it feels to start that project as I am recent to the Gazaile as well. It is indeed very motivating to build your first aerodynamic element; you can hang it on a worshop wall and it reminds you why you go through all that pleasant trouble. Serge has many buzz words or expressions and one of them is "it's in the documentation"... and in fact, it on the last page of the Introduction: Start with the stabilizer. It is a plain and simple wing, easy to build and instantly gratifying. Enjoy. Oliver[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Auteur</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Olivier Rouchard Avion</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Lun, 08 Aoû 2011 18:01:01 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hey Bart <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> <br />I understand your frustration because of the language, but that is how it is for now. Thus, you should see it as an opportunity to improve your French... <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> Just kidding... No, but seriously, there is a effort right now in translating the documentation in English. Even if it takes time, it is happening. <br /> <br />Than you were asking me about my state of play. Here it is: <br />- Airframe stringers: done. <br />- Assembling the stringers to the spar of the fuselage, <br />- Working for fun on the engine (not sure it will be my final choice thought), <br />- and translating slowly but surely the documentation in English... <br /> <br />Otherwise, being an ATP-CPL and flying quiet a bit, I'm not craving to get my Gazaile done as I have other toys to play with. I want to do it well and learn from that experience. I also have a Mooney for my personal flights and trips (no choice when you want to fly with your family in most weather and time) and I'm also part of a group of warbird fanatics. See, that keeps me busy but it provides me ample patients in the building process. <br /> <br />Once again Bart, I wish you to enjoy every moment of this endeavor - and it is one. Don't give up and I'm sure you'll be rewarded many time your investment and time. <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Best regards, Olivier</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cuenca David ULM</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 14:03:53 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: Pk pas</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">J ai écrit que je plaisantais en écrivant que vous deviez l apprendre LOL <br />Une langue ne s apprend pas en quelques mois ( quoi que...) <br /> J ai un niveau équivalent a un enfant de l école primaire en anglais et suffit a communiquer. <br />D' ailleurs notre amis parle aussi le hollandais et comme la plupart des étranger ils parlent anglais! <br />En France on est encore en retard sur ça ! <br /> <br />Pour la traduction de chaque message pfioufff quel boulot...par contre pour les messages d' utilité technique vous avez raison pk pas !</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>bruno ferry avion 44</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 13:22:49 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><img src="images/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cuenca David ULM</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 13:16:57 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: Lol</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Bonjour bruno, <br /> <br />C est la bonne occasion pour apprendre ;0) <br /> <br />Je plaisante bien sur ! En effet c est un problème pour une majorité de français (moi même seulement deux ans que je l ai apprit c est pour dire) ! <br /> Mais les étrangers qui veulent se lancer dans cette aventure sont très content de trouver des français levant cette barrière. <br />Et cela peut être tres bénéfique pour nous pour échanger de bonnes adresses ;0) <br />Puis l échange interculturel enleve les cliches réducteur de certain pays. <br />C est que du bon. <br />En tous cas si il y a une bonne information qui aide les gazailiste français elle sera bien évidemment traduite. <br />Ex: j ai trouver pour le moment un fournisseur anglais d' okoume toute épaisseur. Les gens pourront commander Grace au perssonne parlant anglais au dessus ou moi même.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>bruno ferry avion 44</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 12:46:30 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><img src="images/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cuenca David ULM</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 12:36:17 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: Nice to meet you</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hi Bart, <br /> <br />We already know by mail. <br />I m starting Like you the construction of this beautifull project. <br />I am a beginner on everything except for read drawings because i am Mechanical designer so i also Will need help. <br />Before to Begin thé project i need furniture such as gaboon plywood. <br />Slowly i m buying tools because i have nothing <img src="images/smiles/icon_surprised.gif" alt="Surprised" border="0" />/ <br /> <br />See you soon <br /> <br />Ps: i m french and i leave in South of France</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Oosterkerk</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 06 Aoû 2011 09:44:20 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> <br />Hi Olivier <br /> <br />Thank you for your nice reaction in Englisch <br />super! I feeled a little bit discommunicated because of the language <br />barier , but i see now that it will no be a big problem. <br /> Its good to be part of a group and <br />feel your no allone when start building something that will take years! <br /> <br />Yes good idea to take the first "Helice" and use it as a MASCOTTE <br />on the wall of where it all should happen, and preventing the work <br />from to most big mistakes. <br /> <br />I will start conform the documentation its easier for the process. <br /> <br />Where are you in de building proces. <br />ULM or Avion? <br />How are thinks going? <br />I am curious ? <br /> <br />hope to hear more from you <br /> <br />kind regards <br /> <br />Bart</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Olivier Rouchard Avion</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Mar, 02 Aoû 2011 15:39:19 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hi Bart, <br /> <br />Welcome to the place <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> I know how it feels to start that project as I am recent to the Gazaile as well. It is indeed very motivating to build your first aerodynamic element; you can hang it on a worshop wall and it reminds you why you go through all that pleasant trouble. <br />Serge has many buzz words or expressions and one of them is "it's in the documentation"... and in fact, it on the last page of the Introduction: Start with the stabilizer. It is a plain and simple wing, easy to build and instantly gratifying. <br /> <br />Enjoy. Oliver</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Oosterkerk</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Sam, 30 Juil 2011 18:19:09 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: Hi Martin</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thank you for your reaction and advice. <br /> <br />You are quite right ! <br /> <br />Starting with the propellor is indeed very against the <br />normal work flow :} <br />Most homebuilders are just buying one at the end. <br /> <br />But I think it is very nice to sculpture a propellor as a testversion out of cheap pine. <br />After that I start building according to the advice of the documentation. <br />Bulkheads and Fuselage. <br /> <br />I am not trying to reïnvent the aircraft, because I have no aeronautical background or engineering knowlegde. <br />But I like to understand what I am doing and when facing minor defaults, imperfections or even mistakes, I will communicate them or discuss <br />them not because I want to be a "enfant terrible" but just to improve the archive and make it really dummy proof :} , <br />so even I can understand it, ha ha. <br /> <br />hope to hear more from you again <br /> <br />kind regards <br /> <br />Bart <br /> <br />P.S. are you already busy with the prop?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>J-Martin Stadnicki #100</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Jeu, 28 Juil 2011 08:58:29 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hello Bart, <br />Welcome onboard, and happy to see Gazaile becomes internationally known. <br />Even if the propeller is a nice piece of work, you should start your construction by other items. <br />Before you need the prop, you ll spend "a couple" of hours in the workshop building all what is behind it. <br />Serge Pennec favorite motto" is: <br />"c'est dans la doc" <br />It's in the documention... <br />and the doc advises to start by simplier items such as fuselage couples, rudder and stab. <br />This way, you'll get an experience with main materials used in the construction, and quite a good knowledge of the epoxyde resin used for all the aircraft ( sicomin SR1500). <br />Unless you already have a good experience in homebuilt aircraft, you should rather follow the doc, and not try to reinvent all the aircraft. <br />Backup on the few flying gazaile's shows the aircraft is already optimized. <br />This way, you'll probably save your time and money. <br /> <br />Welcome, good luck, and happy to read you again soon.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Oosterkerk</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Message" title="Message" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posté le: Mer, 27 Juil 2011 21:24:17 +0000<span class="gen"> </span> Sujet du message: Every Body out there , nice to meet you! I am a new builder</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nice to meet you all GAZAILISTEN <br /> <br />as 'novice' from Holland. <br /> <br />I am happy to tell you all I decided to start building this beautifull <br />airplane. <br /> <br />My name is Bart Oosterkerk and I am living in Holland (Pays Bas) <br /> <br />For sure I will poll frequently by visiting the forum to keep up the <br />good work and discussions to make it all work and improve. <br /> <br />At the moment I am bussy understanding how the HELICE is <br />designed and start building a test version. <br />Lots of questions are allready coming up so I hope to get some <br />reactions when starting to get so information via this forum. <br /> <br /> <br />Kind regards <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Bart</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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